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mark kelly and gabby giffords, his wife, they are both gun owners. kelly told me he considered joining the nra but he never got around to it. he also told me that when it comes to his testimony here, he's going to be sitting at one side of the witness table, wayne lapierre of the nra at the other. he hopes that they can have a conversation that can really start to do something. two staunch supporters of the second amendment, two very different views on guns. >> they're god-given freedoms. they belong to us. in the united states of america, as our birthright. no government gave them to us and no government can ever take them away. >> i defended the second amendment flying in combat over iraq and kuwait. you know, defending our country. gabby owns a gun, i own a gun, this really isn't only about the second amendment. >> reporter: these will be the star witnesses at congress's first hearing on guns since newtown. mark kelly, husband of former congresswoman gabby giffords who survived a gunshot through the head, six people died in the attack. the couple
mark kelly and gabby giffords, his wife, they are both gun owners. kelly told me he considered joining the nra but he never got around to it. he also told me that when it comes to his testimony here, he's going to be sitting at one side of the witness table, wayne lapierre of the nra at the other. he hopes that they can have a conversation that can really start to do something. two staunch supporters of the second amendment, two very different views on guns. >> they're god-given freedoms....
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it's important, keep him and gabby giffords and the kids in newtown, keep them in the spotlight. let them have the platform they want. the only way anything happens on the gun violence prevention front is if the intensity level remains on the side of people looking to change the status quo. you know, you know on the side of the nra and extremists on that side, there is already the intensity. it's always been there. they care about this. it's often their top issue. and for those who want to change and have some common sense solutions about high-capacity magazines and other provisions, you've got to fight that intensity with intensity of your own. >> but i -- you know, i agree with your assessment about the intensity, about the emotion. but still even in the face of it -- and mark you were there, you can speak to this. the nra not giving an inch. wayne lapierre got in a heated exchange with senators durbin and leahy over background checks. and he made clear the nra would not give an inch on that issue. let's watch. >> we got to get in the real world on what works and what doesn't w
it's important, keep him and gabby giffords and the kids in newtown, keep them in the spotlight. let them have the platform they want. the only way anything happens on the gun violence prevention front is if the intensity level remains on the side of people looking to change the status quo. you know, you know on the side of the nra and extremists on that side, there is already the intensity. it's always been there. they care about this. it's often their top issue. and for those who want to...
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gabby giffords at the white house. probably a very significant experience for people there close to it and the president. how does that meeting fit into the larger white house strategy right now? >> well, i think that you are starting to see president obama's strategy trying to get stiffer gun laws enacted unfold part of that tactic includes meeting with those who have a stake in this issue like gabby giffords and mark kelly. of course they have a pact so they are collaborating to get out a message. i also think you're going to see president obama hit the road, get out of d.c., get out of the kwhoois and take his message to the people. of course he's trying to get stiffer gun laws enacted which include reenstating the ban on assault weapons, limiting high-capacity magazines. we saw joe biden in virginia last week doing the same thing. he had a round table discussion about that. but then there's sort of this second track. they will be working in conjunction with the retooled version of the campaign which is organizing f
gabby giffords at the white house. probably a very significant experience for people there close to it and the president. how does that meeting fit into the larger white house strategy right now? >> well, i think that you are starting to see president obama's strategy trying to get stiffer gun laws enacted unfold part of that tactic includes meeting with those who have a stake in this issue like gabby giffords and mark kelly. of course they have a pact so they are collaborating to get out...
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the hearing began with a very very dramatic moment when former congress woman gabby giffords came inest forted by the chairman, chuck grassley, and her husband, mark kelly. she was asked to give the very first words at the hearing before anybody else spoke. she did so only 72 words, very moving powerful and halting speech, because she still has a long way to go with her recovery. >> violence is a big problem. too many children are dying. too many children. we must do something. >> bill: it was all carefully laid out. she had obviously rehearsed it and it really does sound like a first grader right? reading aloud in the class. >> yeah, she had to relearn how to speak. >> bill: she looked these senator right in the eye and said, you know look we need you. >> you must act. be bold, be courageous. americans are counting on you. >> bill: seventy-two words every one counted for sure. then the chairman opened with his statement calling on everybody to be open-minded. try to come to some solution the high road, patrick leahy took, and then chuck grassley got up and he lit into a big attack on p
the hearing began with a very very dramatic moment when former congress woman gabby giffords came inest forted by the chairman, chuck grassley, and her husband, mark kelly. she was asked to give the very first words at the hearing before anybody else spoke. she did so only 72 words, very moving powerful and halting speech, because she still has a long way to go with her recovery. >> violence is a big problem. too many children are dying. too many children. we must do something. >>...
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. >>> we all remember gabby giffords testimony on wednesday, but the gun lobby also had a woman to speak for her side of the gun debate and she made quite an impression. >> you are not a woman stuck in her house having to defend her children not able to leave her child, not able to go seek safety on the phone with 911, and she cannot get the police there fast enough to protect her child. and she's not used to being in a firefight. an assault weapon in the hands of a young woman defending her babies in her home becomes a defense weapon, and the peace of mind that a woman has as she's facing three, four, five violent attackers, intruders in her home with her children screaming in the background, the peace of mind that she has knowing that she has a scary looking gun gives her more courage when she's fighting hardened, violent criminals. >> let's bring in msnbc contributor joy reid. so, joy, i want to ask you this question. if guns actually make women safer, then why does research suggest that actually women experience more violent deaths in states where there are more guns? >> right. >> wh
. >>> we all remember gabby giffords testimony on wednesday, but the gun lobby also had a woman to speak for her side of the gun debate and she made quite an impression. >> you are not a woman stuck in her house having to defend her children not able to leave her child, not able to go seek safety on the phone with 911, and she cannot get the police there fast enough to protect her child. and she's not used to being in a firefight. an assault weapon in the hands of a young woman...
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even more dramatic, gabby giffords labored yet passion nal plea for passion. >> speaking is difficult but i need to say something important. violence is a big problem. too many children are dying. too many children. we must do something. be bold, be courageous, americans are counting on you. >> reporter: giffords is an advocate and so is her husband mark kelly. >> a strong supporter of the second amendment as anyone on this panel. my wife would not be sitting in this seat, she would not have been sitting here today if we had stronger background checks. >> reporter: at the other end of the table, the other star witness with a very different perspective. >> law-abiding gun owners will not accept blame for the acts of violent or deranged criminals: none of it makes any sense in the real world. >> mr. lapierre, that's the point. the criminals won't go to purchase the guns because there will be a background check. we'll start them from the original purchase. you missed that point completely. and i think it's basic. >> senator, i think you -- >> order. >> reporter: the line to get into this
even more dramatic, gabby giffords labored yet passion nal plea for passion. >> speaking is difficult but i need to say something important. violence is a big problem. too many children are dying. too many children. we must do something. be bold, be courageous, americans are counting on you. >> reporter: giffords is an advocate and so is her husband mark kelly. >> a strong supporter of the second amendment as anyone on this panel. my wife would not be sitting in this seat, she...
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gabby giffords' husband, mark kelly. >> and that's the difference. other victims are now speaking up, and to see gabby yesterday and her husband by her side talking about this, these were strong nra supporters, and yet they see what can be done. >> i think -- >> 20 dead first graders -- >> go ahead, ron. >> i ws going to say in closing, 20 dead first graders has a way of concentrating the mind. >> right. >> it's a serious conversation. it's an american conversation. thank you, congresswoman carolyn mccarthy of new york and ron reagan. >>> we have one more note about the epidemic of gun violence in this country. yesterday we told you about 15-year-old hadiya pendleton of chicago who was fatally shot in what may have been a gang turf war after having performed in washington with her high school band for the inaugural music festival. it all happened since then. we learned in 2008 she was featured in a video speaking out against gun violence. here is part of that video. >> so many children are fearing gangs, and it's your job as students to say no to gan
gabby giffords' husband, mark kelly. >> and that's the difference. other victims are now speaking up, and to see gabby yesterday and her husband by her side talking about this, these were strong nra supporters, and yet they see what can be done. >> i think -- >> 20 dead first graders -- >> go ahead, ron. >> i ws going to say in closing, 20 dead first graders has a way of concentrating the mind. >> right. >> it's a serious conversation. it's an american...
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we heard these arguments going all the way back to aurora and going back to gabby giffords. this is the fear and the mongering they put out there. remember, lapierre said when they came out and spoke for the first time, oh, we should be having more police officers on the street. well -- and in schools. i agree with that. i would love to have more police officers in all of our communities. that alone will not solve the problem. it's got to be everything together holistically. more police, better education, certainly mental health, those are the things that we need to do. so those that want to work with us, that's great. but the nra, which they kind of gave us hints that they were willing to work with us but now they have totally flipped and they want nothing to do with us. >> it's nothing from then ra. the nra's wayne lapiera pfepier we're out of time. we're going to keep this conversation up for months. you have had the experience of knowing how important it is. gabby giffords, husband mark kelly. >> and that's the difference other victims are now speaking up, and to see gag
we heard these arguments going all the way back to aurora and going back to gabby giffords. this is the fear and the mongering they put out there. remember, lapierre said when they came out and spoke for the first time, oh, we should be having more police officers on the street. well -- and in schools. i agree with that. i would love to have more police officers in all of our communities. that alone will not solve the problem. it's got to be everything together holistically. more police, better...
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it's very interesting to watch gabby giffords yesterday. her read just is inherently very emotional as she tries to really say every single word. here's a little bit of what she said to those at this hearing. >> you must act. be bold. be courageous. americans are counting on you. >> just to hear her struggle to get the words out really i think just speaks volumes, if you will, about all that she's been through and all about this debate. and yet this hearing did not then go forward with everybody piling on and trying to work together. it became very divisive, kind of contentious. do you think gabrielle giffords can help affect policy in this manner? >> very, very desfinitely and profoundly. her statement was one of the shortest but most powerful public statements before any congressional hearing i've ever heard. it was really so direct. yes, she did struggle with those words, but there was no mistaking the passion and the depth of her commitment. and when she said be bold, be courageous, americans are counting on you, she also said that chil
it's very interesting to watch gabby giffords yesterday. her read just is inherently very emotional as she tries to really say every single word. here's a little bit of what she said to those at this hearing. >> you must act. be bold. be courageous. americans are counting on you. >> just to hear her struggle to get the words out really i think just speaks volumes, if you will, about all that she's been through and all about this debate. and yet this hearing did not then go forward...
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. >> glen reynolds said ask the question about the courage that gabby giffords is asking to be shown. glen said ask that question of democrats in red states that are running in 2014? are they going to have a political courage to do what gabby giffords thinks is the right thing on background checks, on high-capacity magazines, on assault weapons? >> i think it is unlikely that the congress will pass a ban on assault weapons. >> what about these democrats? how hard is it for the moderate democrats? >> speaking specifically of those democrats. i think they will have a hard time voting for a ban on assault weapons. i think willie's point about the background checks and the almost universal support makes it a much easier argument to pass. and two -- >> what about the high-capacity magazines? >> then on these big magazines, i think there's an agreement, a compromise, to be made for those who want to shoot and use those magazines at shooting clubs and while some may hunt with that, keep them there. and if you want to take them out, you have to register in a more serious and comprehensive way
. >> glen reynolds said ask the question about the courage that gabby giffords is asking to be shown. glen said ask that question of democrats in red states that are running in 2014? are they going to have a political courage to do what gabby giffords thinks is the right thing on background checks, on high-capacity magazines, on assault weapons? >> i think it is unlikely that the congress will pass a ban on assault weapons. >> what about these democrats? how hard is it for the...
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now we have michael bloomberg involved and now we have steve jobs' widow happening out with gabby giffords pac. finally the gun control side has money. >> the risk of congressional inaction -- just one moment -- >> every day people see us on this show, martin, and they say how wonderful it is that the martin bashir show is focusing on this issue. toure's point is exactly right. if you care about this issue, tell us you care about it by writing a check to one of the great organizations, the mayors group, there's about half a dozen groups that are doing important work. i intend to write a check for them and everybody watching who is interested and concerned about protecting our children and protecting your families and protecting your communities, you have to support these organizations that are doing important work. >> and your original point is absolutely right. the martin bashir point is wonderful. >> thank you. >> yes. >> but the risk of congressional action has prompted some mayors to start taking action. michael nutter of philadelphia, rahm emanuel of chicago. starting a devestment dri
now we have michael bloomberg involved and now we have steve jobs' widow happening out with gabby giffords pac. finally the gun control side has money. >> the risk of congressional inaction -- just one moment -- >> every day people see us on this show, martin, and they say how wonderful it is that the martin bashir show is focusing on this issue. toure's point is exactly right. if you care about this issue, tell us you care about it by writing a check to one of the great...
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you have mark kelly, the husband of former congresswoman and mass shooting survivor gabby giffords. >>> now, to that absolutely horrible nightclub fire in brazil. we're getting new information here from state media, reporting that three arrests have been made, and a fourth person is being sought, which, in this whole fire, claimed the lives thus far of 231 people. this is how it played out on brazilian television. look at these people, and the smoke here. the smoke pouring out of the overcrowded club as people, unconscious, were dragged one after the other after the other on to the sidewalk. witnesses say the ceiling there caught fire when the band lit some sort of pyrotechnic device. a stagehand reported ly tried t put it out, but the fire extinguisher didn't work. the flames spread within minutes. december pr desperate onlookers tried to break holes in walls to get people out. one person describes trying to get out of there. >> translator: when i was trying to get out, the staff stopped me and i yelled, fire, fire, but the security guards were not realizing what was going on. i thin
you have mark kelly, the husband of former congresswoman and mass shooting survivor gabby giffords. >>> now, to that absolutely horrible nightclub fire in brazil. we're getting new information here from state media, reporting that three arrests have been made, and a fourth person is being sought, which, in this whole fire, claimed the lives thus far of 231 people. this is how it played out on brazilian television. look at these people, and the smoke here. the smoke pouring out of the...
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gifford's case, they can attack him and prevent him from shooting other people. the thing is, these bills have been around for years. now it's time to pass them. that's exactly right. >> i'm going to have to leave it there, congresswoman and sister simone. thank you for your time and good luck to both of you in your efforts. >> thank you. >> ahead from glen beck to senator rand paul. we're following the evolution of a conspiracy theory. and revealing the republican plan to steal elections is happening right now in america. stay with us: in america today we're running out of a vital resource we need to compete on the global stage. what we need are people prepared for the careers of our new economy. by 2025 we could have 20 million jobs without enough college graduates to fill them. that's why at devry university, we're teaming up with companies like cisco to help make sure everyone is ready with the know-how we need for a new tomorrow. [ male announcer ] make sure america's ready. make sure you're ready. at devry.edu/knowhow. ♪ >>> in the middle of all of those
gifford's case, they can attack him and prevent him from shooting other people. the thing is, these bills have been around for years. now it's time to pass them. that's exactly right. >> i'm going to have to leave it there, congresswoman and sister simone. thank you for your time and good luck to both of you in your efforts. >> thank you. >> ahead from glen beck to senator rand paul. we're following the evolution of a conspiracy theory. and revealing the republican plan to...
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gabby giffords in conflict, dick durbin versus wayne lapierre and suggested just how hard the debate will be. giffords and her husband, mark kelly, made an emotional appeal to congress to expand background checks to gun shows and private sales. >> too many children are dying. too many children you must act. be bold. be courageous. >> my wife would not be sitting in this seat. she would not have been sitting here today if we had stronger background checks. >> but the national rifle association chair, wayne lapierre, came out aggressively against background checks, arguing that the legislation which has the best chance in congress will do nothing to stem gun violence. >> my problem with background checks is you're never going to get criminals to go through universal background checks. >> we'll stop them from the original purchase. you miss that point completely. and i think it's basic. >> senator, i think you missed -- >> let there be order! >> and lapierre tried to turn the debate back on the administration. >> drug dealers with guns, gangs with guns, and felons with guns. they're sim
gabby giffords in conflict, dick durbin versus wayne lapierre and suggested just how hard the debate will be. giffords and her husband, mark kelly, made an emotional appeal to congress to expand background checks to gun shows and private sales. >> too many children are dying. too many children you must act. be bold. be courageous. >> my wife would not be sitting in this seat. she would not have been sitting here today if we had stronger background checks. >> but the national...
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mark kelly, the husband of gabby giffords who was shot in the head, six people died in the attack. the couple are gun owners themselves and used to practice at an nra range. now they are taking on the powerful gun lobby. kelly tells cnn they support extensive gun control, including restricting high-capacity weapons, like the one used by giffords' shooter. >> he was taken down after unloading ten rounds in a magazine, then there would certainly be other people that didn't -- that died that day that would be alive today. >> reporter: as the nra's executive director, wayne lapierre is the defender of gun rights. his prepared testimony released by the nra sounds familiar warnings. law-eye biding gun owners will not take responsibility for criminals nor do we believe the government should dictate what we can lawfully own. he will have avid defenders on the committee holding the hearing, like orrin hatch. >> well, after years of being pushed around, it's tough for them not to be combative. wayne lapierre is one of the nicest, kindest people you'll ever meet but he really does believe in
mark kelly, the husband of gabby giffords who was shot in the head, six people died in the attack. the couple are gun owners themselves and used to practice at an nra range. now they are taking on the powerful gun lobby. kelly tells cnn they support extensive gun control, including restricting high-capacity weapons, like the one used by giffords' shooter. >> he was taken down after unloading ten rounds in a magazine, then there would certainly be other people that didn't -- that died that...
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gabby giffords was a surprise witness. still recovering two years after being shot in the head in another shooting attack called on congress to quote act now. >> speaking is difficult. but i need to say something important. violence is a big problem. too many children are dying. >> the white house is pushing to reinstate a ban on assault weapons. limit ammo clips and want universal background checks. >> president obama's choice to get a grilling from senators this morning. chuck hagel is a former republican senator. but no republican is supporting his nomination. and only democrats are defending his record on iran and israel. the hearings are due to start at 9:30. >> new this morning, a reminder to drivers in the district starting today, you will get a $100 ticket for crossing into the bike lanes on pennsylvania avenue. mayor greyish ued the emergency order months ago making u turns illegal in an effort to cut down on accidents. police had only given out warnings. >> a warning to metro riders from transit police. protect y
gabby giffords was a surprise witness. still recovering two years after being shot in the head in another shooting attack called on congress to quote act now. >> speaking is difficult. but i need to say something important. violence is a big problem. too many children are dying. >> the white house is pushing to reinstate a ban on assault weapons. limit ammo clips and want universal background checks. >> president obama's choice to get a grilling from senators this morning....
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former arizona congresswoman gabby giffords, who survived that mass shooting two years ago, appeared before the senate judiciary committee along with her husband, former astronaut mark kelly. he told the panel cushing gun violence is a complex problem. but he says that is no excuse for inaction. >> when dangerous people get dangerous guns we are all the more vulnerable. dangerous people with weapons specifically designed to inflict maximum lethality upon others have turned every single corner of our society into places of carnage and gross human loss. jon: our next guest is the committee's ranking republican. he agrees we need some common sense reform but warns of the need to proceed with caution. >> we should not rush to pass legislation that will not reduce mass killings. banning guns based on their appearance does not make sense. the 1994 assault weapons bandied not stop columbine. the justice department found the ban ineffective. scholars have indicated that refining or expanding such legislation will not cut gun violence. jon: iowa senator chuck grassley joins us now live. senat
former arizona congresswoman gabby giffords, who survived that mass shooting two years ago, appeared before the senate judiciary committee along with her husband, former astronaut mark kelly. he told the panel cushing gun violence is a complex problem. but he says that is no excuse for inaction. >> when dangerous people get dangerous guns we are all the more vulnerable. dangerous people with weapons specifically designed to inflict maximum lethality upon others have turned every single...
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. >> john: after having a rifle scope on gabby gifford's district. you know what jacki schechner pointed out fox apparently paid sarah palin, if you factor out by the word, how much did she make? >> it was $15 per word. it is from the university of minnesota humphrey school of public affairs. smart politics blog. they figured out she spoke -- more than 189,000 words over 50 appearances. it comes out to $1.85 per word. it doesn't say how many coherent words. >> john: does this mean some unpaid intern had to pay how many words she said? >> i'm not sure how many of those were real words. >> john: do contractions count as two words? >> if you looked at the word count from 2012, she was on so infrequently. she was probably making $50 a word compared to 2010, 2011. >> hannity and van susteren interviewed her 55 times for 3/4 of her appearances over the last 36 months. >> poor intern! oh, my god. >> john: i think eric, it augers for the future of fox news. your latest piece is entitled are conservatives rethinking the fox news outrage model. you make a good
. >> john: after having a rifle scope on gabby gifford's district. you know what jacki schechner pointed out fox apparently paid sarah palin, if you factor out by the word, how much did she make? >> it was $15 per word. it is from the university of minnesota humphrey school of public affairs. smart politics blog. they figured out she spoke -- more than 189,000 words over 50 appearances. it comes out to $1.85 per word. it doesn't say how many coherent words. >> john: does this...
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. >> gabby giffords you could not help but feel emotion and she was speaking out. they own guns and they're doing exactly what they need to do and say exactly what needs to be said. >> final word with. >> i know nothing about football except for the super bowl that andy muller played football with jim harbaugh at university of michigan when i would sit in the stands with my family and andy is now an offensive coach for the ravens. >> you're sending a shout out. i love it. >> they're all in the family. >> a shout out to christine romans who is 25 today. bring in the cake! >> happy birthday! >> your birthday, happy birthday, christine. >> yeah! >> we wrap it up and be back here tomorrow morning of course. "cnn newsroom" with carol costello begins right now. see you now everybody. >> hi soledad and happy birthday christine. stories we're watching right now in the newsroom, trapped by rising water, rescuers in maryland struggle to save stranded drivers. the storm system they say killed two in the south. >> reporter: in adairsville you can see to the right of the funnel
. >> gabby giffords you could not help but feel emotion and she was speaking out. they own guns and they're doing exactly what they need to do and say exactly what needs to be said. >> final word with. >> i know nothing about football except for the super bowl that andy muller played football with jim harbaugh at university of michigan when i would sit in the stands with my family and andy is now an offensive coach for the ravens. >> you're sending a shout out. i love...
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as gabby giffords's has been yesterday mentioned, a thousand people so adjudicated have not been included on the system. one of the witnesses there yesterday was that please shoot of baltimore county who is an advocate of universal background checks. he didn't tensioned earlier in the week as governor said they are not in favor of putting the mentally ill into the system. .. would not have been able to buy the firearm he had been adjudicated. we think that and have been urging it for a long time. we think it ought to be done. we think the system needs additional funding and to be straight end out. it's operated efficiently and cleaned up. to take the system and throw millions of people in to it, as it exists today would be a serious error. >> we're going go next to myles benson, dan, free monday, robert, and laura. myles? >> would you put the two basic questions . >> i'll try. >> the second amendment talks about the -- [inaudible] the organization -- [inaudible] gun owners whistle blowing that sort of thing. how much is there to be done . >> sure, i would be happy to. our definition of th
as gabby giffords's has been yesterday mentioned, a thousand people so adjudicated have not been included on the system. one of the witnesses there yesterday was that please shoot of baltimore county who is an advocate of universal background checks. he didn't tensioned earlier in the week as governor said they are not in favor of putting the mentally ill into the system. .. would not have been able to buy the firearm he had been adjudicated. we think that and have been urging it for a long...
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giffords' husband, mark kelly. sheriff's alongside vp joe biden over the gun control policies proposed earlier this month. more bill up next. [ music ] arguments to feel confident in their positions. i want them to have the data and i want them to have the passion. but it's also about telling them, you're put on this planet for something more. i want this show to have an impact beyond just informing. an impact that gets people to take action themselves. as a human being, that's really...